First off,<br>I'm really enjoying the lively discussion on this listserv and look forward to contributing.<br>My particular interest is gathering data on the "user experience" and driving improvements from there.<br>
<br>Here is a minor point that should be easy to fix.<br>
<style type="text/css">
<!--
@page { margin: 0.79in }
P { margin-bottom: 0.08in }
A:link { so-language: zxx }
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</style>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">The wiki update under News Headlines on
the front page of <a href="http://blender.org">blender.org</a> has a link to <a href="http://blendernation.com">blendernation.com</a></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><a href="http://www.blendernation.com/2011/11/03/wiki/#utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Blendernation+%28BlenderNation%29">http://www.blendernation.com/2011/11/03/wiki/#utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Blendernation+%28BlenderNation%29</a></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">which looks like the spalsh page for
the wiki, but clicking on any link goes to a screenshot.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><a href="http://www.blendernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/blender-wiki-home.png">http://www.blendernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/blender-wiki-home.png</a></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">This may seem like a dead-end to a
newbie. At the very least, it's 3 wasted clicks.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">The blender wiki button on the right
hand side or <a href="http://blender.org">blender.org</a> correctly takes us to the live 2.5 wiki.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">Perhaps someone who knows someone at
blendernation could have them re-link to the live wiki?</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in">From a usability standpoint, any chance
to drive down the number of wasted clicks is worthwhile.</p>
<br>kesten<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:00 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org">bf-docboard-request@blender.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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1. Re: Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed! (Fade S)<br>
2. Re: Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed! (Raindrops From Sky)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:21:42 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Fade S <<a href="mailto:fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com">fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed!<br>
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I'm happy to help with this. How do you want to split up the work to avoid duplication? Maybe we can assign volunteers a section in the order they've emailed. e.g. you take Section 1: Introduction to Blender, Jaagup takes Section 2: Modelling, materials and lights, I take Section 3: etc.<br>
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I do have a few queries though. Why are we mapping it to the 2.4 manual and not the 2.6 manual? From the mapping and your later post here:<br>
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<a href="http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2011-November/003772.html" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2011-November/003772.html</a><br>
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It seems like we'll be mapping 2.3-->2.4, then aligning 2.4 to 2.6 as much as possible. If I've understood this and the later SEO discussions correctly (and very likely I haven't ;)), it means that people will search for "blender extrusion", find the 2.3 page, get shifted over to the 2.4 manual via the server mapping and then redirected to 2.6.<br>
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If you're going to align 2.4 and 2.6, would it not be simpler to wait until that is done, then just map 2.3 directly to 2.6?<br>
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________________________________<br>
From: mindrones <<a href="mailto:mindrones@gmail.com">mindrones@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Blender Documentation Project <<a href="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org">bf-docboard@blender.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 8:44 PM<br>
Subject: [Bf-docboard] Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed!<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
we need some volunteers!<br>
<br>
If anyone has some spare time to dedicate to the issue explained below,<br>
please reply with a mail here so we can distribute the effort. When you<br>
are done, please paste the result in <a href="http://pasteall.org" target="_blank">pasteall.org</a> and send the link to<br>
this list.<br>
<br>
Thanks! :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Luca<br>
<br>
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Issue<br>
---------------<br>
<br>
The old 2.3 docs are better ranked than the wiki pages!<br>
<br>
Example<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=blender+extrude" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=blender+extrude</a><br>
<br>
gives:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x2740.html" target="_blank">www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x2740.html</a><br>
1st google page, 4th link<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Modeling/Meshes/Editing/Basics#Extrusion%0A4th" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Modeling/Meshes/Editing/Basics#Extrusion<br>
4th</a> google page, 9th link...<br>
<br>
<br>
Solution<br>
---------------<br>
<br>
Redirect all subpages of:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/</a><br>
and<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlII/" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlII/</a><br>
<br>
to their correspondent wiki page, with a permanent (301) redirect.<br>
This way search engines will know that, for example:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x2740.html" target="_blank">www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x2740.html</a><br>
<br>
is now dead and instead they have to look for<br>
<br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Modeling/Meshes/Editing/Basics" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Modeling/Meshes/Editing/Basics</a><br>
<br>
<br>
What do we need?<br>
------------------<br>
<br>
The server admin needs a mapping<br>
<br>
old <a href="http://blender.org" target="_blank">blender.org</a> 2.3 manual page => relative wiki page<br>
<br>
for all the html pages in the old manuals.<br>
<br>
I'll add some examples here to make this clear:<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/p86.html" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/p86.html</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction</a><br>
--<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/p86.html" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/p86.html</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction</a><br>
--<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x115.html" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x115.html</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction/History" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction/History</a><br>
--<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x179.html" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x179.html</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction/License" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction/License</a><br>
--<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x204.html" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x204.html</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction/Community" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Introduction/Community</a><br>
--<br>
<br>
...<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x2740.html" target="_blank">www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/x2740.html</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Modeling/Meshes/Editing/Basics" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Modeling/Meshes/Editing/Basics</a><br>
<br>
...<br>
<br>
<br>
Note that there could be multiple mapping, like 2 html pages pointing at<br>
the same wiki page, or 1 html page that correspond to more than one wiki<br>
page.<br>
<br>
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From: Raindrops From Sky <<a href="mailto:raindrops.fromsky@gmail.com">raindrops.fromsky@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed!<br>
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Another aspect:<br>
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The 2.3 -> 2.4 (or 3.6) redirect will be within the same website (<br>
<a href="http://blender.org" target="_blank">blender.org</a>).<br>
Such links may not help in increasing the rating at all.<br>
<br>
For higher ranking, the pages need inbound links from OTHER websites.<br>
In fact, the tag analysis points out that there are no inbound links at<br>
present.<br>
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