<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Well, nothing imho, I repeat nothing, that an author posts to the wiki should attempt to supercede, infringe on, or endanger the Blender Foundation. If an author posts a script that restricts commercial usage, the BF is in danger of being party to a lawsuit should that script be downloaded and used, in whole or in part, as is or derivatives, for commercial purposes. <br><div> </div>----------------<br>Sent by Roger Wickes for intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and contact Mr. Wickes immediately.<br><br><div>Atlantica Investments, Inc.<br>PO Box 680310, Marietta, GA 30068 USA<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:
12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: "bf-docboard-request@blender.org" <bf-docboard-request@blender.org><br>To: bf-docboard@blender.org<br>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:00:24 AM<br>Subject: Bf-docboard Digest, Vol 41, Issue 9<br><br>Send Bf-docboard mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org">bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org">bf-docboard-request@blender.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a
ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard-owner@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard-owner@blender.org">bf-docboard-owner@blender.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Bf-docboard digest..."<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: No Choice of License ( Juho Veps?l?inen )<br>_______________________________________________<br>Bf-docboard mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org" href="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org">Bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard</a><br>Hi,<br><br>Can some sort of decision made upon the issue? It would be nice to add<br>more scripts to the wiki. The main reason why I raised the issue was<br>that it is not nice to restrict scripts to only Open Content License<br>which is fairly restrictive itself.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Juho "BeBraw"
Vepsäläinen<br><br>2008/6/9 Chris Burt <duositex+<a ymailto="mailto:blender@gmail.com" href="mailto:blender@gmail.com">blender@gmail.com</a>>:<br>> No offense Roger, but none of your examples/analogies really apply to<br>> the situation you're trying to describe. The licenses for the content<br>> on the Wiki, according to Matt's post, would be specified by their<br>> author, not the Blender Foundation. This would mean that if I wanted<br>> to publish a public domain tutorial on rigging, I'd be free to do so,<br>> but if I wanted to publish a creative commons share-alike<br>> non-commercial tutorial on the same topic, I'd have that freedom as<br>> well. There are aaaaallllll sorts of different kinds of "free" and<br>> "open" that contributors should be encouraged to take advantage of in<br>> my opinion. Restricting the Wiki to one license discourages the<br>> sharing of material across the boundaries of amateur
and professional,<br>> something that the Blender community has been reasonably good at.<br>><br>> I think the original concern is over scripts and code snippets<br>> published to the wiki, and protecting the rights of the authors of<br>> those materials despite them being published in a Wiki with a<br>> dissimilar license. But I didn't read the whole thread.<br>><br>> --Chris<br>><br>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Roger Wickes <<a ymailto="mailto:rogerwickes@yahoo.com" href="mailto:rogerwickes@yahoo.com">rogerwickes@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> This docboard post suggests that scripts hosted in the wiki Scripts folder<br>>> and subfolders be provided under non-GPL licesnes, specficially "a choice of<br>>> GPL, LGPL, BSD and zlib licenses:.<br>>><br>>> I am against a choice of licensing standards.No one has put forth any<br>>> business reason why it makes sense
otherwise.<br>>><br>>> I'm very sorry, but I think the suggestion that there be a variety of<br>>> choices of "license of the month" is totally unacceptable. If any software<br>>> is supported by the Blender Foundation, either through the resources used to<br>>> house and distribute it (the wiki), or community member's time to add it,<br>>> then it must all fall under the same license as the Blender software itself.<br>>> It's like saying, here, have this toy Buzz Lightyear. You can play all you<br>>> want with his left and right legs, but the arms you cannot turn to the left,<br>>> and you cannot rip off the head and use it to make another toy. Oh, and you<br>>> can put him on your desk at work, but you have to take out the batteries<br>>> because you cannot play with him at work.<br>>><br>>> If you want to make money from Blender, write the code, lock it down,<br>>>
advertise it and sell it...but don't expect BF to distribute it for you and<br>>> open itself up to license administration and possible damages! Imagine<br>>> coming across a page in the User Manual with a banner at the top that says<br>>> "Do not read this if you use Blender professionally. Free use of this<br>>> content is restricted to amateurs. If you later become a professional and<br>>> you learned something from reading this page, send $2 to Joe Schmoe as a<br>>> license fee." Another anaology is that you make a wooden toy in your garage.<br>>> You give it to your neighbor and ask him to sell it at his garage sale, but<br>>> with the following restrictions...etc etc. Imagine the mess that could<br>>> result!<br>>><br>>> Another analogy is Blender itself. Imagine if you could use Blender for<br>>> professional paid work, but not cloth. If you used cloth, you had to
send<br>>> Genscher $.01 for every frame that was rendered using the cloth sim. Not<br>>> only does it violate the spirit of Blender, it is impossible to administer<br>>> (enforce, collect, track).<br>>><br>>> I am going to cc Ton on this, because maybe I am off-base. But, as president<br>>> of BF, I think he needs to be aware and give us some guidance. Perhaps it<br>>> will warrant discussion on our Sunday meeting.<br>>> ----------------<br>>> Sent by Roger Wickes for intended recipient. If you are not the intended<br>>> recipient, please delete this message and contact Mr. Wickes immediately.<br>>><br>>> Atlantica Investments, Inc.<br>>> PO Box 680310, Marietta, GA 30068 USA<br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message ----<br>>> From: "<a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org"
href="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org">bf-docboard-request@blender.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org">bf-docboard-request@blender.org</a>><br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org">bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 6:00:20 AM<br>>> Subject: Bf-docboard Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7<br>>><br>>> Send Bf-docboard mailing list submissions to<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org">bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br>>><br>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>> <a href="http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard</a><br>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or
body 'help' to<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard-request@blender.org">bf-docboard-request@blender.org</a><br>>><br>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:bf-docboard-owner@blender.org" href="mailto:bf-docboard-owner@blender.org">bf-docboard-owner@blender.org</a><br>>><br>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>> than "Re: Contents of Bf-docboard digest..."<br>>> Today's Topics:<br>>><br>>> 1. Re: Script Licensing (joe)<br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Inline Message Follows-----<br>>><br>>>> Hrm. You could try contacting some admins. We went with OCL because the<br>>>> manual is OCL, and it seemed to make sense (as back then the wiki was<br>>>> primarily for user documentation/developer
documents).<br>>><br>>> Right, it was all about the old 2.3 manual, which was OCL. Anyway, is<br>>> there any reason at all why the contents of the entire wiki must be<br>>> licensed the same? Why not just state: 'open content, unless otherwise<br>>> stated on the page itself' or even something more restrictive like:<br>>> 'open content, unless otherwise declared as GPL on the page itself' or<br>>> 'open content, with the exception of GPL for all contained<br>>> program/script code'<br>>><br>>> Matt<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Bf-docboard mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org" href="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org">Bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard</a><br>>><br>>>
_______________________________________________<br>>> Bf-docboard mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org" href="mailto:Bf-docboard@blender.org">Bf-docboard@blender.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard" target="_blank">http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----<br>>><br>>> GPL sounds like an overly restrictive license for every script though<br>>> (especially little cookbook scripts). What about a choice of GPL, LGPL, BSD<br>>> and zlib licenses?<br>>><br>>> Joe<br>>><br>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Matt Ebb <<a ymailto="mailto:matt@mke3.net" href="mailto:matt@mke3.net">matt@mke3.net</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:53 AM, joe <<a ymailto="mailto:joeedh@gmail.com"
href="mailto:joeedh@gmail.com">joeedh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> > Hrm. You could try contacting some admins. We went with OCL because<br>>>> > the<br>>>> > manual is OCL, and it seemed to make sense (as back then the wiki was<br>>>> > primarily for user documentation/developer documents).<br>>>><br>>>> Right, it was all about the old 2.3 manual, which was OCL. Anyway, is<br>>>> there any reason at all why the contents of the entire wiki must be<br>>>> licensed the same? Why not just state: 'open content, unless otherwise<br>>>> stated on the page itself' or even something more restrictive like:<br>>>> 'open content, unless otherwise declared as GPL on the page itself' or<br>>>> 'open content, with the exception of GPL for all contained<br>>>> program/script code'<br>>>><br>>>> Matt<br>>>>
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