[Bf-committers] i18n maintenance is on hold
Lockal S
lockalsash at gmail.com
Fri Mar 29 18:08:41 CET 2013
>From my translator point of view, explosion of number of strings in POT
files is inevitable. Right now different strings use the same translation
just because we don't want to make code less readable, but make translation
more precise (especially for russian&cjk translations). For example here
are RNA ids of word "Smooth" with empty
context:<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.DynamicPaintBrushSettings.html#bpy.types.DynamicPaintBrushSettings.proximity_falloff>
1. bpy.types.DynamicPaintBrushSettings.proximity_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.DynamicPaintBrushSettings.html#bpy.types.DynamicPaintBrushSettings.proximity_falloff>
:'SMOOTH'
2. bpy.types.Brush.sculpt_tool<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.Brush.html#bpy.types.Brush.sculpt_tool>
:'SMOOTH'
3. bpy.types.Brush.mask_tool<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.Brush.html#bpy.types.Brush.mask_tool>
:'SMOOTH'
4. bpy.types.MaskLayer.falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.MaskLayer.html#bpy.types.MaskLayer.falloff>
:'SMOOTH'
5. bpy.types.MaskSpline.offset_mode<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.MaskSpline.html#bpy.types.MaskSpline.offset_mode>
:'SMOOTH'
6. bpy.types.MeshPolygon.use_smooth<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.MeshPolygon.html#bpy.types.MeshPolygon.use_smooth>
7. bpy.types.MeshTessFace.use_smooth<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.MeshTessFace.html#bpy.types.MeshTessFace.use_smooth>
8. bpy.types.Modifier.type<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.Modifier.html#bpy.types.Modifier.type>
:'SMOOTH'
9. bpy.types.RemeshModifier.mode<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.RemeshModifier.html#bpy.types.RemeshModifier.mode>
:'SMOOTH'
10. bpy.types.VertexWeightEditModifier.falloff_type<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.VertexWeightEditModifier.html#bpy.types.VertexWeightEditModifier.falloff_type>
:'SMOOTH'
11. bpy.types.VertexWeightProximityModifier.falloff_type<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.VertexWeightProximityModifier.html#bpy.types.VertexWeightProximityModifier.falloff_type>
:'SMOOTH'
12. bpy.types.WarpModifier.falloff_type<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.WarpModifier.html#bpy.types.WarpModifier.falloff_type>
:'SMOOTH'
13. bpy.types.CompositorNodeDilateErode.falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.CompositorNodeDilateErode.html#bpy.types.CompositorNodeDilateErode.falloff>
:'SMOOTH'
14. bpy.types.CompositorNodeKeying.feather_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.CompositorNodeKeying.html#bpy.types.CompositorNodeKeying.feather_falloff>
:'SMOOTH'
15. bpy.types.BRUSH_OT_curve_preset.shape<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.brush.html#bpy.ops.brush.curve_preset>
:'SMOOTH'
16. bpy.types.MESH_OT_rip.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.mesh.html#bpy.ops.mesh.rip>
:'SMOOTH'
17. bpy.types.OBJECT_OT_modifier_add.type<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.object.html#bpy.ops.object.modifier_add>
:'SMOOTH'
18. bpy.types.PAINT_OT_brush_select.sculpt_tool<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.paint.html#bpy.ops.paint.brush_select>
:'SMOOTH'
19. bpy.types.SCULPT_OT_brush_stroke.mode<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.sculpt.html#bpy.ops.sculpt.brush_stroke>
:'SMOOTH'
20. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_mirror.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.mirror>
:'SMOOTH'
21. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_push_pull.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.push_pull>
:'SMOOTH'
22. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_resize.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.resize>
:'SMOOTH'
23. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_rotate.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.rotate>
:'SMOOTH'
24. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_shear.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.shear>
:'SMOOTH'
25. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_shrink_fatten.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.shrink_fatten>
:'SMOOTH'
26. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_skin_resize.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.skin_resize>
:'SMOOTH'
27. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_tilt.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.tilt>
:'SMOOTH'
28. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_tosphere.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.tosphere>
:'SMOOTH'
29. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_trackball.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.trackball>
:'SMOOTH'
30. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_transform.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.transform>
:'SMOOTH'
31. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_translate.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.translate>
:'SMOOTH'
32. bpy.types.TRANSFORM_OT_warp.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.transform.html#bpy.ops.transform.warp>
:'SMOOTH'
33. bpy.types.ParticleEdit.tool<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.ParticleEdit.html#bpy.types.ParticleEdit.tool>
:'SMOOTH'
34. bpy.types.PointDensity.falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.PointDensity.html#bpy.types.PointDensity.falloff>
:'SMOOTH'
35. bpy.types.Spline.use_smooth<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.Spline.html#bpy.types.Spline.use_smooth>
36. bpy.types.ToolSettings.proportional_edit_falloff<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.types.ToolSettings.html#bpy.types.ToolSettings.proportional_edit_falloff>
:'SMOOTH'
37. scripts/addons/cycles/ui.py:1028
38. scripts/startup/bl_ui/properties_data_curve.py:95
39. scripts/startup/bl_ui/properties_material.py:264
40. scripts/startup/bl_ui/properties_material.py:323
41. scripts/startup/bl_ui/space_image.py:657
42. source/blender/nodes/shader/nodes/node_shader_light_falloff.c:33
And with "Operator" context:
1. bpy.types.CURVE_OT_smooth<http://www.blender.org/documentation/blender_python_api_2_66_release/bpy.ops.curve.html#bpy.ops.curve.smooth>
2. scripts/startup/bl_ui/space_view3d.py:1777
3. scripts/startup/bl_ui/space_view3d_toolbar.py:206
4. scripts/startup/bl_ui/space_view3d_toolbar.py:101
Let's look at this. The biggest group here is proportional edit falloff,
which is an adjective, but using bare adjectives without any noun is
discouraged in Russian, so we use an adverb.
There are also different proximity falloff and mask falloff. For those who
want to use a gender-sensitive adjective here, another context is needed.
The next big group is tools. Tool definitely can not be an adjective or an
adverb in Russian. It is either a noun or a verb. And again, different
translation could be used for smoothing an image, a sculpted surface or
particle hair.
Next comes Smooth modifier. It is also neither an adjective nor a verb in
Russian.
Then we have 3 use_smooth, which can be translated into Russian either as
Use+Noun (использовать сглаживание, со сглаживанием) or as a verb
(сглаживать). But cjk-languages most likely use different form for this.
Then we have 9 "Smooth" outside of RNA system. The most problematic item
here is view3d Smooth shading button ([Smooth | Flat] button group) which
is marked with "Operator" context, but is an adjective/adverb. But Smooth
in W-menu is actually a verb and also marked as Operator.
Different languages use different grammatical rules, and it would be hell
difficult to add contexts for every string in every language. It is much
easier to translate the word Smooth 46 times, because every modern
translation system includes translation memory and suggestion list. The
only question is what blender can do with non-RNA strings. Is it possible
to generate a unique context for each of them?
S. L.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Sergey Sharybin <sergey.vfx at gmail.com>wrote:
> Then i'd say it's high time to solve this loose strings.
>
> This issue is discussing like at least year or two, and nothing changed in
> this front meanwhile.
>
> Let's just switch from blaming on things which are here only because old
> crap is not fixed to fixing this old crap. That'd be much more constructive
> discussion.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > It is not about fixing things that's inside your domain, it was about
> > adding new concepts for handling translations, which changes how UI
> scripts
> > have to maintained.
> >
> > That topic had two aspects:
> >
> > - The loose custom strings in UI scripts were there temporary, and meant
> > to disappear in due time.
> >
> > - The syntax for how users and developers handle UI scripts is something
> > we should together agree on.
> >
> > Combined it makes this something we should communicate on together to get
> > an agreement on. So Thomas' (or my) issue was not about indivdual commits
> > or fixes, it's about a change in spec and how we want to handle things.
> >
> > -Ton-
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation ton at blender.org www.blender.org
> > Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands
> >
> > On 28 Mar, 2013, at 22:37, Daniel Genrich wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I know, the devs don't need the "green light" from the module
> > > owner for every commit they do.
> > >
> > > mont29 also did several commits to fluids and cloth, too without
> running
> > > by me first. That was fine, no big changes.
> > > I don't think we should encourage "blocking type" commits (everything
> > > needs to get "green light" first). We're not Sun with Open Office who
> > > scares devs away, right? :-)
> > >
> > > I was under the impression, that the "module owner" is about bigger
> > > things. No idea, I am wrong? ^^
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > > Daniel / Genscher
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 28.03.2013 22:13, schrieb Thomas Dinges:
> > >> So all in all, it's all about communication. We have the module owner
> > >> list for a reason. Please respect that.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Thomas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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